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I don't KNOW the young players, but it seems to me that in my generation (early 40s) and younger the kind of aesthetic wars Wynton ignited are resolved. Some people live entirely in a "free jazz"-ish type of space, some people live entirely in a "straight ahead"-ish type of space, but it seems like a lot of players are comfortable integrating a mixture of the two as the gig requires, even if they tend to lean more on one than the other. I also get this impression from interviews with these musicians.

However, I still get surprised sometimes when, even in the course of declaring the Jazz Wars to be long over, a younger player seems ignorant of the idea that Wynton just closed off whole avenues of exposure (and money) to the avant-garde, or takes for granted that Wynton's music is only a throwback. Somehow it seems like everybody namechecks _Black Codes_ but also are capable of pretending it's only a return to 60s Miles/Trane and/or it disappears in the wake of several decades of Ellingtonia.

For my part I was definitely a young fan of straight ahead but hostile to Wynton-as-philosopher-of-music. It was, once again, Do The Math which opened up my perspective. The interview with Crouch really struck me in a way that made the surface of the Jazz Wars seem beside the point. (In particular the juxtaposition of the expectations an African-American faces when moving into the classical music space vs. the presumption that there's no requirement to preserve something of traditional jazz aesthetics when making something you call "jazz".)

Also after many years of not bothering to get tickets when JALC visited Chicago, I finally went last year and I was an idiot to not go every year. They played two repertory concerts, one focused on "bebop" and one focused on "cool jazz and hard bop," I saw both, they were both incredible, neither of them sounded "conservative" (though certainly I felt the tendencies of the band were more in the "hard bop" vein and "cool" got shortish shrift). The best music of either night, though, was an encore on the second night (I think) when Dan Nimmer came out with Wynton and they played a medium-slow blues with a lot of New Orleans flavor. (Nimmer had some interesting Jelly Roll Morton/Allen Toussaint synthesis happening.) It was a rapturous conclusion for me and I floated on a cloud down Michigan Avenue.

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So much to unpack from this very important writing, but two nuggets popped out for me, probably more because they’re more reflective of my own later-life thoughts about music and the arts than any attempt to tease out primary themes. First is the underscoring of Ellison’s point about the influence of European modernism on Cecil Taylor’s emerging artistry at that moment. (My feeling is that these elements slowly evaporated as his music developed over the decades.) But I also appreciated the connection made, through Cage, to American late Modernists in other fields, although the artists you list in some cases may only have an oblique relationship to Cecil’s project, or each other for that matter.

Secondly, for me the most telling observation of your essay might be the concluding sentence , “It isn’t surprising that the program has struck a chord with contemporary audiences, for the sounds are still fresh and the debates remain unresolved.” Which sort of begs the question, after all this time, should we be trying to look/listen to all of this in an alternative way? I suspect another angle might be suggested by Susan Sontag’s famous 1964 quote from Against Interpretation: “In place of a hermeneutics we need an erotics of art.” Words to live by imo.

Forgive the length of this reply, but in reference to Cecil Taylor’s rather circumlocutory explanation of his intentions: in October 1974 he, Lyons, and Andrew Cyrille were booked into the Jazz Showcase in Chicago. It was Taylor’s first appearance in the city since a controversial gig in 1959, a major event, and he sat for an “interview”on my late night radio program. I asked him if he could remark upon the changes in audience reaction to his music in the intervening 15 years, and he was off to the races, speaking without interruption for nearly an hour. When he finished, I realized that I had no idea what he was talking about, put on a side of his latest album, “Spring of Two Blue-Js,” and called it a night. I had a tape running and when I went to listen back later, found that much to my chagrin, it hadn’t recorded!Afterwards my colleague, the late Ray Townley, and I took Cecil out for a meal at an all-night restaurant near the radio station, and the conversation was lively and, you know, easily understood.

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